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Joey


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Who do you think has the best Homefield Advantage, Walt? The nominees are....


Cowboys
Giants
Vikings
Packers
Buccaneers
Rams
Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Titans
Chiefs
Broncos


I say the Rams.



-- Edited by Joey at 12:19, 2004-12-24

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Walter


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I think it depends what time of year it is.


In September, it has to be Miami. No one wins in Miami (except the Houston Texans of '03-go figure) because it is so hot, humid and miserable.


Come playoff time, even though the Packers have been in a funk at home, I still have to go with Lambeau. They only lost one home playoff game in their long history, which is pretty amazing.


As for home-road disparity, you're right about the Rams. They are a completely different team on the road.



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Joey


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Though Miami is good at home in September, I am talking about which team no matter what time of year plays better at home than the road by the greatest margin. Miami wins because of weather not because of their game being taken to another level, that is why I say the Rams.

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But the Panthers were able to go into St. Louis and win last year. If I had to choose one, I'll go with Gillette Stadium because the Patriots are 18-3 there.

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But, in a playoff atmosphere in 2002 when the Pats had the oppurtunity to win the AFC East against the rival Jets at home, because they beat the Jets in New York, they choked so if you condemn the Rams cause they lost to the Panthers, you have to condemn the Patriots for losing to the Jets.

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Walter


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Good point, but the Patriots were not a playoff team that season because they could not stop the run. When St. Louis lost to Carolina, they were clearly a playoff team. They were the 2nd seed in the NFC.

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It doesnt matter if you stop the run or not, the Patriots would have made the playoffs if they won. It was as good as a playoff game. The Chiefs couldnt stop the run last year, does that mean that they weren't a playoff team? They made the playoffs, so you cant argue with the fact that they were a playoff team.

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The difference between the '02 Pats and the '03 Chiefs was their offense. Kansas City had an explosive offense, which got them to the playoffs. But, as you saw, they had no defense and were quickly eliminated. The '02 Pats didnt have the offense that the '03 Chiefs had.

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Good point. But the Patriots Offense was and still is the most underrated Offense in the league. Brown, Branch, and Givens are all very good recievers. Faulk is good. And I think Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL, so it isnt like the Patriots Offense was 2002's version of this year's 49ers.

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It definitely is very underrated, but 2002 was before David Givens and Deion Branch blossomed as dangerous wide receivers. Brady utilized Troy Brown, David Patten and TE Christian Fauria that season.  

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Christian Fauria and David Patten were excellent as well so that point doesnt make any difference.



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I was just pointing something out, but my might point is: you may say the '02 Pats offense was underrated and I agree with you, but it cannot rival KC's offense of '03.



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Even you admit that the Patriots scoring defense was good in 2001.

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Walter


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Good in '01, not good in '02. I'm not sure what you're getting at

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Sorry, that was stupid I lost track of the argument. I thought we were arguing about the 01 Pats not the 02 Pats. But, even if their scoring defense wasnt as good in 2002, they still had Ty Law and Rodney Harrison. They had a playoff caliber team in 2002.

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They didn't have Rodney Harrison in 2002. They acquired him after that season.


New England's problem in 2002 was their inability to stop the run. That's why they went out and signed Harrison and Ted Washington.



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Well, now we see that Green Bay certaintly doesnt have the greatest homefield advantage.

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Definitely not. I'm amazed that Mike Sherman hasn't been fired yet. He clearly doesn't know what he's doing.

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Sherman should be fired, but how about Mike Holmgren? How is he still with Seattle. He is clearly a phony. He barely has a winning record after 99 games with the orgainization. I keeping hearing this excuse that they werent making the playoffs when he got there. But they didnt have an outstanding quarterback, the rusher who missed the title by 1 yard, and the first defense to shut out the 49ers in what 30 years? They are way too talented to be eliminated so soon two straight years.

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I think Holmgren is in the same boat as Mike Shanahan. Shanahan has never won without Elway (not to mention a healthy Terrell Davis), while Holmgren has never won without Brett Favre, Reggie White, Mark Chmura, etc. Given the fact that Holmgren only won one Super Bowl with that great team, he could be considered a failure as the coach in Green Bay as well. Sherman and Holmgren have to go.

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I totally agree.

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What happened to Lambeau Field? It hasn't been the same since the Falcons beat them in 2002 playoffs!

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An incompetent coach in Mike Sherman is what happened to it. I still dont understand why the Packers kept him after losing to Minnesota. But then they turn around and hire an assistant from the 49ers! Sherman was bad but I would take him over Mike McCarthy. Brett Favre should have retired and left this mess behind.

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Lambeau Field has seemed to have lost its mystique. The Packers organization seems to lack focus and any sort of direction. Mike Sherman? Mike McCarthy? You can't have a good home-field advantage if you're a horrible team.

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Ya, Mike Sherman was a horrible coach. Packers fans are glad they gave Sherman the pink slip. The Packers used to be invincible at home until the playoffs until Mike Vick and the Falcons beat GB at GB. And in 2004, they lose a playoff game at home again, to the Love Boat Vikings, who really stinks on the road, especially in grass. That was no excuse. Mike Sherman is the only coach in Packers history to let his team lose a playoff game at home.

Why hire a 49ers assistant coach as HEAD coach when you had Eric Mangini available?

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Good point. Why did they hire a 49er assistant when they also had Steve Mariucci available? Mariucci failed in Detroit but I dont think any coach would have had much chance for success with Matt Millen as General Manager. You cant win as a football team if you just have 11 wide recievers on the field. I still think Mooch is a good coach.

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Mooch is a good coach, but the Lions need someone tougher. I think Rod Marinelli was a good hire.

As for Mike McCarthy, he was an offensive coordinator for a 49ers squad that produced less than 15 points per game. The hire was senseless.

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I agree with your take on Mariucci. He was an excellent coach for a mature 49ers squad, but the Lions are still young and have yet to be taught disipline. I agree that Rod Marinelli was a good hire but I dont think he can do much this year and truthfully I hope that he doesnt because I just wish that Matt Millen would go away. I think if I was as big of a failure as he has been I would just resign and go back to what Im good at, broadcasting. He has to be considered one of the worst general managers in the history of the NFL. 21-59 in 5 seasons after taking over a team that previously had a winning record is just inexcusable and should be enough to get anyone fired.



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Matt Millen is awful, and I don't know how he still has his job. It's a joke. I'm appalled that William Clay Ford has no idea how bad he is. That's just terrible ownership.

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Some teams (Detroit, New Orleans, Arizona, the Jets, Cleveland in the past, the Colts in the past just to name a few) I dont think even try to win. There have been 40 Super Bowls, 40 opportunities to make it to the Super Bowl with only 16 teams in each conference. With the way the NFL is so balanced, every team should have appeared in at least one Super Bowl by now. If you havent, then you arent trying. In that list, New York and Indy are the only teams to have made it to a Super Bowl and they did it in the 60's and early 70's. The Colts and Browns seemed to have changed their ways, but I am convinced that the rest of those teams have decided that they are going to make money no matter what so it doesnt matter if they lose or not.

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